log for nopython

77751545769d2caefc88433ec7b73c75f93b5df7

2010-01-03T21:26:20+00:00

liposaction

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On the other hand, you have all the good-known stuff from C like parentheses all over the place and segfaults. Do you see segfaults often in dynamic languages? Well in python you do. Also, its libraries require *compilation*. What a nonsense.

-h2. Python vs OCaml
+No pattern matching. And even no switches — actually even PHP has it. Some people recommend to use "if - else if" constructions instead...

-* No static type system. It makes impossible to apply "correct by construction" principle in python. Although, exceptions just don't work (see above).
-* No pattern matching. And even no switches — actually even PHP has it. Some people recommend to use "if - else if" constructions instead...
-* Python performance sucks. Any single implentation of OCaml works much faster than any implentation of Python.
+Python has no static type system. It makes impossible to apply "correct by construction" principle in python.

-h2. Python vs Ruby
+h2. Objects. I mean, hashes of methods

Python appears to be an object-oriented language, but OOP system is just a syntactic sugar for dictionaries, and you have to fall back to direct intervention to do serious business. It doesn't even have private members. Some people say that it's Python vision of OOP, but then they might as well say that raising horrible kludges in C to obtain something that remotely resembles OOP is C vision of OOP.

da726a94656ef4585da7bb6e2fe92ca94c35f25b

2010-01-03T20:08:19+00:00

'ignore'

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If you didn't notice that these programs are sluggish and consume much memory, -you're blind- even now you can still be healed.

-Lastmp, for example, crashes "wherever it encounters broken Unicode":http://bitcheese.net/vlog/post/580. Looks like you need to surround every string loading with try..catch in python for that not to happen. Good design, eh?
+Lastmp, for example, crashes "wherever it encounters broken Unicode":http://bitcheese.net/vlog/post/580. Solving this problem requires -surrounding unicode loadings with try..catch- calling unicode(data, 'ignore') instead of unicode(data). Note the string option used where saner language would use enum, flags or other method.

h1. Python brokenness from developer's point of view.

fc738b43392faff281d086e1bd132fa1264280a4

2010-01-03T20:04:12+00:00

vs ruby

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h2. Python vs Ruby

-* Python appears to be an object-oriented language, but OOP system is just a syntactic sugar for dictionaries, and you have to fall back to direct intervention to do serious business.
+Python appears to be an object-oriented language, but OOP system is just a syntactic sugar for dictionaries, and you have to fall back to direct intervention to do serious business. It doesn't even have private members. Some people say that it's Python vision of OOP, but then they might as well say that raising horrible kludges in C to obtain something that remotely resembles OOP is C vision of OOP.
+
+Ruby shares the similar niche, but features brilliant OOP with conceptions borrowed from Smalltalk.

h2. Pythoogle

43d6ca619ef3c0db441ff2a01fde9bb98b7ca0cc

2010-01-03T19:59:39+00:00

pythoogle

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So let's count chars. Here goes class initializer definition in python:

bc. def __init__(self)
- return 0
+ return None

Same in ruby:

@@ -83,6 +83,10 @@
h2. Python vs Ruby

* Python appears to be an object-oriented language, but OOP system is just a syntactic sugar for dictionaries, and you have to fall back to direct intervention to do serious business.
+
+h2. Pythoogle
+
+Many people praise Python because Google uses it. Well, it's "used":http://panela.blog-city.com/python_at_google_greg_stein__sdforum.htm for non-critical tasks mostly, and they use ancient 2.2, because of API breakage between minor releases. The only web services done in python are code.google.com (which doesn't support any decent VCS) and google groups.

h1. Conclusion

f6e03ffc30e9b0c50a767c5dbdeeb0f33428c402

2010-01-03T19:50:01+00:00

disclaimer

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h1. [ No Python ]

+h1. Preable
+
bq. <tuomov> but python FAILS
<tuomov> fucking idiots
<tuomov> typical foss crap..
@@ -7,7 +9,7 @@
<tuomov> it's pure shit
_Tuomo Valkonen on Python_

-Python is a broken programming language. Why broken?
+*Disclaimer:* I do not code in Python. Why would I want to code in such a broken language? If you think if this page contains errors, or you do know about even more severe pitfalls of subj. you are welcome to send [[Voker57/contact|me]] mail about those.

h1. Python brokenness from user's point of view.

96e275782f9f8bcfac32575db05a2ece9b351de2

2009-09-03T18:47:14+00:00

fixes by olegfink

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On the other hand, you have all the good-known stuff from C like parentheses all over the place and segfaults. Do you see segfaults often in dynamic languages? Well in python you do. Also, its libraries require *compilation*. What a nonsense.

-h2. OCaml vs Python
+h2. Python vs OCaml

* No static type system. It makes impossible to apply "correct by construction" principle in python. Although, exceptions just don't work (see above).
* No pattern matching. And even no switches — actually even PHP has it. Some people recommend to use "if - else if" constructions instead...
* Python performance sucks. Any single implentation of OCaml works much faster than any implentation of Python.

-h2. Ruby vs Python
+h2. Python vs Ruby

* Python appears to be an object-oriented language, but OOP system is just a syntactic sugar for dictionaries, and you have to fall back to direct intervention to do serious business.

@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@
Python is totally broken. Please don't write crappy apps with it or use other people's ones. If you still think it's a really good language, ask yourself:

# Haven't I been using C++ for ages and now is blinded with metaprogramming & PR?
-# Did I try other dynamic languages? Ruby, LISP, Haskell, OCaml?
+# Did I try other dynamic languages? such as Ruby or LISP?

h2. Links

6e4198208ec844db5f100dfb898a7b82508da4d6

2009-09-03T18:32:08+00:00

wicd

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h1. Python brokenness from user's point of view.

-Have you ever tried to use Python app? For example, Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge, aldrin?
+Have you ever tried to use Python app? For example, Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge, aldrin, wicd?

If you didn't notice that these programs are sluggish and consume much memory, -you're blind- even now you can still be healed.

5868fd03c800501573f0990fad456ca71033ded0

2009-08-09T16:08:30+00:00

punctuation

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h1. Python brokenness from user's point of view.

-Have you ever tried to use Python app? For example, Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge. aldrin?
+Have you ever tried to use Python app? For example, Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge, aldrin?

If you didn't notice that these programs are sluggish and consume much memory, -you're blind- even now you can still be healed.

fbed74468214214dea1d2dba228a4ca3e6857163

2009-08-09T16:03:56+00:00

Aldrin

--- a/nopython
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@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@

h1. Python brokenness from user's point of view.

-Have you ever tried to use Python app? For example, Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge?
+Have you ever tried to use Python app? For example, Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge. aldrin?

If you didn't notice that these programs are sluggish and consume much memory, -you're blind- even now you can still be healed.

98435125f5b26b0c43f6a18e346c6b00f6322232

2009-07-06T17:25:01+00:00

Tuomov on python

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h1. [ No Python ]

+bq. <tuomov> but python FAILS
+<tuomov> fucking idiots
+<tuomov> typical foss crap..
+<tuomov> it's shit
+<tuomov> it's pure shit
+_Tuomo Valkonen on Python_
+
Python is a broken programming language. Why broken?

h1. Python brokenness from user's point of view.